aleksw
Senior Member
Poland
Polish
- Feb 21, 2020
- #1
Is any difference between: sort out rubbish and sort rubbish ?
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tunaafi
Senior Member
Česká republika
English - British (Southern England)
- Feb 21, 2020
- #2
Please give us a complete sentence in which you wish to use these words with some context.
aleksw
Senior Member
Poland
Polish
- Feb 21, 2020
- #3
Everyone should sort out / sort rubbish at home.
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tunaafi
Senior Member
Česká republika
English - British (Southern England)
- Feb 21, 2020
- #4
That's a strange thing to say, with or without 'out'. Why should people sort (out) rubbish? Please give us some context.
aleksw
Senior Member
Poland
Polish
- Feb 21, 2020
- #5
For me there is only one context - you have a bin for plastic, a bin for glass, a bin for paper and you have to sort / sort out rubbish. I can't imagine any other context.
Andygc
Senior Member
Devon
British English
- Feb 21, 2020
- #6
Now that you have explained what you are talking about ...
You sort your rubbish into various categories.
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tunaafi
Senior Member
Česká republika
English - British (Southern England)
- Feb 21, 2020
- #7
aleksw said:
For me there is only one context
Well, a friend of mine first sorts her rubbish out into things that can be used for playthings for her young son, and things that can't.
Riyan
Senior Member
Swat
Pashto
- Feb 21, 2020
- #8
Hermione Golightly said:
Where I live, we 'sort' household rubbish into various categories. 'Sorting the rubbish into categories' means the same as 'separating' it into categories'.
We sort the rubbish and we sort one category from another; we also separate one category from another.
Of course, an essential part of the 'sorting/separating' process is definitely 'selecting' and, in a way, 'choosing'.
Segregate-select-sort-separate rubbish
aleksw
Senior Member
Poland
Polish
- Feb 21, 2020
- #9
Can I use it interchangeably with "sort out" in that context?
I sort my rubbish into various categories.
I sort OUT my rubbish into various categories.
I have found articles with "sort out" in the title:
"Sorting out the rubbish"
"ONE BIN IS RUBBISH. SORT IT OUT."
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Andygc
Senior Member
Devon
British English
- Feb 21, 2020
- #10
aleksw said:
Can I use it interchangeably with "sort out" in that context?
No. I could go out to my shed and sort out the rubbish. That would leave me two things - tidy shelves stacked with things I want to keep and a pile of rubbish. I could then sort the rubbish into recyclables and other waste.
aleksw
Senior Member
Poland
Polish
- Feb 21, 2020
- #11
Hmmm if I good understand you:
sort out = clean up
so these sentences from websites are incorrect:
It had already been very successful in persuading many residents, particularly those who live in the detached houses and terraces in the brough, to separate their waste. But very little recycling was happening on some of its publicity owned housing estates, where many tenants made little attempt to SORT OUT their rubbish into cans, glass and paper.
Finnish what you start: SORT OUT your rubbish before dumping it
It’s not enough to have the rubbish ready waiting to be collected for disposal; responsible homeowners take a time to SORT OUT the rubbish so that things are easier for the disposer.
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Andygc
Senior Member
Devon
British English
- Feb 21, 2020
- #12
All three contain errors other than what I would consider an incorrect use of "sort out".
No, "sort out" does not mean "clean up" in the context I gave. It means to separate that which is rubbish from that which is not rubbish and then to put it out, where out means out of the place where I keep that which is not rubbish.
aleksw
Senior Member
Poland
Polish
- Feb 21, 2020
- #13
Ok so I will be using "sort rubbish" in the context of throwing out.
mrquest
Banned
Warsaw
Polish
- Feb 21, 2020
- #14
Could explain why in sentences the usage of 'sort out' is correct?
It had already been very successful in persuading many residents, particularly those who live in the detached houses and terraces in the brough, to separate their waste. But very little recycling was happening on some of its publicity owned housing estates, where many tenants made little attempt to SORT OUT their rubbish into cans, glass and paper.
Finnish what you start: SORT OUT your rubbish before dumping it
It’s not enough to have the rubbish ready waiting to be collected for disposal; responsible homeowners take a time to SORT OUT the rubbish so that things are easier for the disposer.
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tunaafi
Senior Member
Česká republika
English - British (Southern England)
- Feb 21, 2020
- #15
Like Andy (post 12), I consider them incorrect.
mrquest
Banned
Warsaw
Polish
- Feb 21, 2020
- #16
It is interesting, maybe 'sort out rubbish' isn't so popular because even on BBC website I can find that:
About 60,000 householders in Torbay will be required to sort out more of their own rubbish for kerbside collections.
Kerbside scheme saves waste fines
And tenants of the apartment blocks here often get together at a set time each week to help each other sort out and recycle their rubbish.
BBC News - South Korea's enthusiasm for recycling
But of course - more popular is 'sort rubbish' as @Andygc and @tunaafi said Thank you guys
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pachanga7
Senior Member
Southeastern U.S.
English - US
- Feb 21, 2020
- #17
Hello,
I’ve hesitated to jump in here because it’s obvious from the word “rubbish” where I would use “trash” or “garbage” that the examples are from BE. However, perhaps my comments on the use of prepositions in phrasal verbs might be of use to someone reading this thread.
“Out” in phrasal verbs generally carries one of two connotations: 1) to remove, or 2) to extend outwards.
That’s why some people, hearing “sort out the trash/rubbish”, understand “select only that which is trash and remove it from the rest”. Others might hear “sort the rubbish using an extended process that involves spreading it out into various piles”.
Neither is inherently right or wrong, it’s about patterns of usage and these vary over time and between regions. If you have mainstream sources using a particular phrase the way you have in mind, and for the same audience, then by all means go ahead and use it with confidence. If on the other hand you perceive ambiguity or that different persons might have differing takes on it, you might consider adding some clarifying context or rewording the phrase to remove all doubt.
Hope I’ve helped you figure this out.
lingobingo
Senior Member
London
English - England
- Feb 22, 2020
- #18
To sort rubbish is to organise it into different types of items in order to place them in the appropriate bins for recycling/collection – as described in Hermione’s quote in #8. To sort [something] out can be used more widely in the sense of solving a problem, clearing up a mess, or just getting something done.
mrquest
Banned
Warsaw
Polish
- Feb 22, 2020
- #19
@pachanga7 and @lingobingo - now it is much much more clear, thank you a lot!!
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